Friday, June 27, 2008

Draft Stunners

Admittedly, I know very little about Jason Thompson from Rider, the Sacramento Kings 1st Round pick. However, I did see him play in one game in his conference tournament and was underwhelmed. I hoped D.J. Augustin would fall to the Kings. My second choice, based on who I thought would be available, was Kansas Darrell Arthur. I never even considered that the Kings would take Thompson. I like Patrick Ewing, Jr as a 2nd Round pick, but not Sean Singletary. As a Kings' fan, I am disappointed.

I was in the car when the Kings made the selection. I was listening to some San Diego area sports talk show. The host admitted that he had never heard of Thompson. Of course, he also referred to San Diego State Head Coach Steve Fischer as a "legend of the game."

Well, everyone thought Memphis might be a little gun shy after the criticism of the Pau Gasol trade. Then they decided to give away Mike Miller.

I understand trading to get O.J. Mayo because he is the player that you covet, even though your interior is a weakness. However, I do not understand giving up Mike Miller to make the trade happen, not to mention acquiring more bad contracts that they gave away. Minnesota instantly upgraded its team with this trade, as Love can play inside with Jefferson (though, defensively they have nobody to protect the rim, which is never good) and Miller can play on the wing with Foye, McCants and Brewer. I think Memphis severely undervalued Miller - I thought the Lakers should make a run at Miller with Lamar Odom, though I figure Memphis may never make a deal with the Lakers again.

Memphis did manage to salvage something by trading Donte Green to acquire Darrell Arthur, potentially the draft's biggest steal at #27. Arthur now becomes the inside player the Grizzlies desperately need, while Mayo fills the two-guard spot vacated by Miller. The Grizzlies still have an extra PG to deal if anyone (Sacramento? Denver?) is interested, but adding Arthur and Mayo certainly upgrades the talent level, even though I am not sure it was worth losing Miller.

Portland stayed busy. I warmed to the Brandon Rush pick right around the time the Blazers dealt him to Indiana. Rush seemed like a great fit in Portland as a small forward who can defend and shoot the three. I am not a huge Jerryd Bayless fan. They later managed to acquire Nicolas Batum, who they obviously wanted, before the San Antonio Spurs managed to draft him. So, Batum and Bayless seem like a talented duo to add to the team and address the Blazers' weaknesses. However, they could have drafted Mario Chalmers with the late pick, leaving them with Rush and Chalmers (though they would also have Jack instead of Diogu). They also acquired another three future second round draft picks.

Bayless has talent and can make shots. It will be interesting how Portland plays together with a potential starting line-up of Bayless, Roy, Outlaw, Aldridge and Oden. That is a talented team, but will there be enough ball to share and keep everyone happy?

Diogu actually could be a nice addition as a scoring big off the bench. With the above starting line-up, the Blazers have Blake, Rodriguez, Fernandez, Webster, Diogu, Frye and Pryzbilla off the bench with Batum likely joining Joel Freeland and Pettri Kaponen in Europe. Everyone keeps mentioning assets and the Blazers certainly have them. They have a minimum of eight "lottery talents" on the roster: Oden, Aldridge, Roy, Outlaw (likely would have been a lottery pick had he played another year of college), Bayless, Batum (considered a lottery pick until the last 2-3 weeks), Fernandez (was a top player in the Spanish league last season) and Webster.

I cannot believe Kosta Koufus fell to the #23 pick and the Utah Jazz. I thought he was a top ten player when I saw him play during the college season. There is no way he should have slid outside the top 15. I like him better than last year's #10 pick, Sacramento's Spencer Hawes.

Miami has to be happy. They draft Beasley and acquire Chalmers, so they upgrade two positions. If they can deal Shawn Marion for some additional talent, the Heat may be relevant again.

New Jersey managed two of the top "value" picks in the draft, as they landed Brook Lopez at #10 and Chris Douglas-Roberts at #40. CDR may be able to step-in right away and add some of the offense New Jersey lost when it dealt Jefferson to the Bucks, while Lopez solidifies its front line. Adding Ryan Anderson is a bonus. The Nets are flush with athletic big men who could stand to add a few pounds of muscle: Anderson, Yi, Sean Wiliams, Josh Boone, Nenad Kristic and Lopez. However, with this length, they should be able to deter some shots around the basket.

15 comments:

khan said...

Getting rid of Brian Cardinal's contract is HUGE for the Grizzlies. The guy doesn't see the court. Even if they get back a supposedly "bad contract", the guy will at least log minutes. That's more than Cardinal could do.

This was a great deal for the Grizzlies. I know the nation was critical of the Gasol trade, but the nation doesn't give two flips for Memphis, doesn't care to know what's going on with the team, etc. It wasn't a sexy deal, but it was one that made sense for Memphis. That's all that matters. Last night's trade is no exception.

Brian McCormick said...

The problem is that Mark Jaric's contract is longer than Cardinal's. And, where does Jaric fit with all the other guards on the roster?

I think the Grizz did well to land two good rookies in Mayo and Arthur, but I think trading away Miller just to get rid of Cardinal's contract, but assuming Jaric's, is a bad move. I think Miller had more value.

Billy said...

I was very disappointed with the Kings second round draft picks. I may be crazy, but I have this feeling that CDR and Walker could have better careers than Rose and Beasley. I was very disappointed that the Bobcats picked up augustin because that was my dream player to run point. His ability to keep his dribble alive and create for players after a play has broken reminds me of Nash and Paul. He could have been that player that the kings have always needed. One who could break down a defense and create for other players.

Back to Walker and CDR. Walker is such an explosive player who plays much bigger than his 6'6" frame. He has the athletic ability and nasty attitude that could be huge coming off the bench for years. CDR is instant offense and a terrible match up for most teams. He has the ability to play with or without the ball. Looking back at the season and the tourney, explain to me why Rose is so loved, but CDR is just another guy? I like him more than rush and all the other SG in the draft. Maybe I am crazy or blind, but explain to me why he fell.

I know nothing about Thomas either, but the more I read, I do like what I am hearing. I like big guys who played guard before they were big. Going from a 6 foot guard in high school to a 6'11" power forward in college is nice. He could turn into a CWebb type of a player with great hands and size, or he could just be another busted player.

Singleton was a need pickup, but I would have preferred a player like Walker to take a flier on. I would bring in Demarcus Nelson as an undrafted camp player.

Anonymous said...

You know why the Grizzlies were able to land your steal of the draft? The Gasol trade.

You know why the Grizzlies are going to have a very solid second-year combo guard backing up Mayo and Lowry, a potential starting center, cap space, and an extra first-rounder in 2010? Take a guess.

Memphis got the best player with leagues more potential and star power, more cap flexibility, AND they only gave up a solid role player, Jason Collins, and the most worthless player in basketball to do it.

Minnesota outgoing dollars:
Antoine Walker - $9.32 million (non-guaranteed after 08-09)
Marko Jaric - $6.575 + $7.1 + $7.625
Greg Buckner - $3.76 million (non-guaranteed after 08-09)

Total - $34.38 million

Memphis outgoing dollars:

Mike Miller $9.0 + $9.75
Brian Cardinal $6.3 + $6.75
Jason Collins $6.2

Total - $38 million

Anonymous said...

Err, meant to say that Crittendon will be backing up Mayo and Conley/Lowry. Conley hasn't gone anywhere just yet.

Brian McCormick said...

So what? I never thoght the Gasol trade was horrible. Look it up. I said the trade ultimately wold depend on what they did with the draft pick and the cap space. If they used the cap space, I said it cold be an okay trade; if they didn't use the cap space, then what is the point?

I also thought the Lakers were a championship contender before the trade and said it really only impacted the Lakers if Bynum did not return this year, which happened.

I still don't think that getting rid of Brian Cardinal was worth getting rid of Mike Miller, especially since they got the extra year of jaric's contract. I would have wanted to acquire more for Miller.

Miller, to me, is the missing piece for someone's championship dream and could have delivered more cap space or an extra draft pick or another yong talent. Maybe I am wrong, but teams like Phoenix, san Antonio, New Orleans and others cold certainly se a shooter like Miller to catch p to the Lakers, not to mention the Lakers who need a shooter at the 3 to spread the court for Bryant, Bynm and Gasol.

Anonymous said...

I really enjoyed watching Mike Miller in Memphis for six years, but I think you're overvaluing him a bit. If those teams had been willing to offer something nice in order to acquire Miller, why wouldn't they have done so before the deadline this year?

The Grizzlies essentially leveraged Miller to trade up in the draft and acquire an incredibly promising player (see Battier-for-Gay in 2006). The fact that they were somehow able to dispose of Cardinal's dead weight and ridiculous contract is a just a borderline miraculous bonus.

Also, sorry about assuming you were a member of the "Gasol for peanuts" chorus. When it comes to the cap space, Wallace has done a great job of positioning the Grizzlies for next summer, and this trade, in addition to bringing in a top-notch talent, further opens things up for 09-10. Jaric can back up Conley or Lowry (whoever stays) or even -- as an outside chance -- be part of a deal himself, and the difference between his contract and Cardinal's is that Jaric is a little younger and can play twenty decent minutes a game rather than Cardinal's ten abysmal minutes.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the Grizzlies greatly improved their chances of building a contender with this trade. They've got lots of backcourt and wing talent, front court prospects in Arthur and Gasol, and even decent backups in Warrick and (to a more expensive extent) Darko. The best part is, the youth means they can afford to wait and let the current core develop a bit while they look for that banger/rebounding force to round things out.

Walton's Wisdom said...

I'm with you on the Grizzlies-Wolves trade. McHale finally outsmarted someone because he wanted Love more than Mayo and managed to get Mike Miller in the process.

I also thought NJ had one of the, if not the, best drafts.

Anonymous said...

"Brian McCormick response?
[quote]
The problem is that Mark Jaric's contract is longer than Cardinal's. And, where does Jaric fit with all the other guards on the roster?

I think the Grizz did well to land two good rookies in Mayo and Arthur, but I think trading away Miller just to get rid of Cardinal's contract, but assuming Jaric's, is a bad move. I think Miller had more value.[/quote]

Hey Brian, did you really think Mike Miller will help us win more than 22 games this year?

How many fast are lining up to buy seasons tickets with MM33 in the line-up?

How many comericals do you see MM33 in? So from a basketball and marketing stand-point this trade wasa NON-BRAINER.

I'll rather have a core of MAYO (20) yrs old vice MM33 at 30? You do the math?

Anonymous said...

First things first...

If Miller is the part of this deal that makes it a negative for Memphis, then let me disclose I am a Grizz fan who was angry that Chris Wallace did not take the deal from Cleveland that would have gotten rid of Brian Cardinal by sacrificing Mike Miller for contracts that would expire in 2008 and 2009. My biggest criticism of the Pau trade was not forcing a wealthy Lakers franchise to take Brian Cardinal. Brian Cardinal was a cancer. Not to the team, but to the fanbase. He was a symbol like Batman to the criminals of Gotham City. Brian Cardinal was the posterboy of the Grizzlies ineptitude. If the Grizzlies were trading Brian Cardinal for Marko Jaric straight up, the people of Memphis would be dancing in the streets because we finally got a player who can contribute to the team, and not just play garbage time, and cheer the other guys on.

As far as the trade in total, anyone who thinks Minnesota won this thing short-term is kidding themselves.

Minnesota got a good frontcourt player who will give them 15-20 points and 8 to 10 rebounds for the next ten or fifteen years, who'll be a good citizen, and the crush of all the girls who miss Wally. Mike Miller is going to hit the jumpers, pass with the best of them, and rebound really well from backcourt. Jason Collins is filler. Brian Cardinal is going to look like a guy who was placed on the team because the federal government got testimony from him and the Witness Protection Program granted his wish of giving him the life of a baller.

Kevin Love would have helped the Grizzlies, but he would have been inferior to Pau Gasol in every way. He's got as good offensively, and he can't block shots like Pau could. If we could not get anything done with Pau, how could we with Love?

OJ Mayo could be the best player in this draft. He can do it on both ends. IMO, the Grizzlies biggest problem was perimeter defense. We haven't had a pesky, skilled defender since James Posey. (Shane Battier was good, but good players can still abuse the slow Battier). OJ at his best could be a 25, 5, and 5 guy, and a lockdown defender. OJ could change the culture of the Grizz franchise that overnight when from a boring, friendly team, to a beast.

Kevin Love would have continued a self-image that fans in Memphis were not pleased with.

OJ Mayo has brought excitement back. If we had to lose Mike Miller to make that happen, so be it.

Billy said...

This was an incredibly stupid trade for the Grizzlies. No one is saying that getting Mayo was not a win, but to get rid of a solid player like Miller for nothing? This trade was really a Miller and Love for Mayo. I am not saying that Mayo is not going to be a solid, if not great player, but to give up Miller and Love to get him is another stupid trade. You are too busy trying to dump Cardinal that you are not realizing that you got nothing back for Miller in the trade. If you want to say that you got Mayo for Miller, then why give up Love as well. As far as Gasol being a better defender than Love, did you watch the finals? Did you watch Love at all this season? They guy was a defense, outlet and rebounding machine for th Bruins, and if you sign Gasol's little bro, you could have a great front court to go with a solid back court. I was not that down on the Griz for the Laker trade if they can sign his little brother and free up additional cash. All of these teams are trying to load up on cash for the Lebron, Carmelo and Wade bonanza, but do you really think those guys want to go to Memphis, Sacramento, or Indiana? Please.

Anonymous said...

This was bad trade for Memphis because Love is going to be a solid/good player who would have been a good citizen and good teammate. Mayo might be better but here is the important thing. Love is more likely to stay with Minnesota than Mayo is to stay in Memphis. Every thing Mayo has done suggests that he wants a big market. Which means after his first or second contract (when he is in his prime) he will go to LA, New York, Boston, or Chicago.

Brian McCormick said...

As I have said before, my problem is not trading Miller, but undervaling him and getting nothing in return, effectively.

Cardinal and Jaric trade places and the effect against the cap is minimal. Minnesota gets more contracts in terms of dollars and Memphis gets more in terms of length.

So, basically Memphis gave up Miller to move up 2 picks. Minnesota drafts the player they wanted and they get Miller. It may be a win-win, bt it's hard not to see how the Wolves did not win the deal.

That's essentially my point. If they were going to give up Miller, they shold have given up Lowery too and made the deal for Beasley. Maybe that is still to come?

I don't believe they are any better, compared to the rest of the league, than they were before the draft.

I'm simply saying that I wold have fond a way to the deal and keep Miller to make another deal, like one for Beasley, or to one of the teams desperate for that #2 or 3 weapon on the wing, like Cleveland, San Antonio, Los Angeles, Phoenix, New Orleans, etc.

And, as I have said since the Gasol trade, cap space only matters if you use it. So, the trades value is undetermined ntil they sign players.

Finally, if they wanted to sell tickets, why not keep Love and draft Chris Douglas-Roberts at 28? And Dorsey in the 2nd Round?

JE said...

I think you are right to say Miller was undervalued but I really like what Wallace has done for Memphis desite the criticism he has recieved league wide.

There salary situation is very good. They are building a good young nucleus. With Gaol, they could have three very good new starters. Also they are not done. They will certainly move one of their PG's possibly along with Toine to make their salary situation even better. Jaric is not terrible he is just overpaid. He also is uniquely un-clutch.

As a Minne fan, I like the trade okay. It depends on whether Love is a rich man's Brad Miller or if he is Brian Scalabrine. But they too are clearing lots of bad contracts and adding young talent.

For the Wolves, they should being back all their restricted FA's if they can do so at a decent price.

Neither team is playoof bound but they are climbing out of the pit.

Thanks for the good post!

Brian McCormick said...

The problem with Memphis and Minnesota is that they have accumulated several #2 or 3 guys, but neither has a #1 guy. Maybe Mayo develops into a #1 guy. Maybe not.

In Minnesota, I think Foye, Love and Jefferson are #2 guys who would benefit from playing with a "star" to make their job easier.

In Memphis, I think the same is true about Gay, Mayo and Conley.

Memphis had a terrible start to the season last year. But, I certainly don't think this team is better now. Had Memphis not made the two trades, they would have a starting line-up with Conley, Miller, Gay, Love and Gasol with Lowery, Warrick and Milicic on the bench. Now, they have Conley, Mayo, Gay, Arthur and Milicic with Lowery, Crittendon and Warrick on the bench.

Now, you can argue that they are in a better situation moving forward because of cap space, etc. But, there is no way that team is a better team or more talented than if they had not made the trades.

And, as I keep saying, cap space is only good if you use it.

As for Minnesota, their interior defense will be problematic with two 6'8 guys without huge verticals protecting the rim, which puts more pressure on the guards and wings to defend and keep people out of the middle. It'll be interesting.

Unfortunately for these teams, the good teams keep getting better and Portland appears to be a play-off lock for the better part of the next decade. So, making a move will be tough.